During those first auditions among other thematic attempts I tried to put a scene together consisting of three or four film excerpts back to back, and they did fit together in a weird way. In the evening after the rehearsal I thought: if we managed to put three excerpts together, why not try five? And it went on like that, and I didn’t know what I was doing. Then it got to the point where the scene was ten minutes long and I was getting more and more uninterested in everything else I was going to include in the new piece. I thought: if I can hold the attention up for twenty minutes with an accumulation of movies, then we should be able to do a whole piece limited to that concept. I threw everything else that was supposed to be in ‘disconnected’ out, and changed the title as I didn’t want to impose a specific reading of the piece.
“Rolling” is the most fragmented piece I have done so far. I find it interesting how the fragments might have become a whole after all. I’m always a little afraid of meanings that are too obvious. When you put two scenes together, there’s suddenly another interpretation. But this is not only an intellectual exercise for me. I’m mainly trying to have fun, whatever that means.
One of the reasons I love film so much is that it incorporates so many other art forms. Take “Boogie Nights”, for instance: the base line in the soundtrack is like a character by itself. I am interested in rhythm, in dance scenes and in certain subject matters. If you take sexuality, which is still a major topic in films, and you look at the evolution of sex in films, it seems like theatre is really behind. I find a lot of theatre very trashy. And I like the borderline between high and low arts. While constructing “Rolling”, there were some practical elements to consider. I wanted to balance the dance parts with the theatre parts, and I didn’t want too well-known scenes in it like “You talkin’ to me”, from “Taxi Driver”, for example. I knew what I didn’t want and that’s always a start. I didn’t want just parody either. In “Rolling”, there’s always an intrusion of reality. I like the fact that someone like Donald Trump appears in one of the scenes, because he is more disturbing than the fictional characters. “You speak pretty good American, for a Comanche“, a quote from “The Searchers“, a movie starring John Wayne, is a line that some people in the USA could still say today to a Native American. That makes this scene weird and frightening at the same time. I also like the idea of jumping in time, because I’m not a very nostalgic person. I watch new movies. I listen to music produced today as well as old stuff. I’m also watching a lot of TV series at the moment, and I’m fascinated by the possibility of developing a character over a few years.